Article: Will Brock Faber's Contract Have the Upside Of Matt Boldy's?

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[Will D. Ness]

When Boldy got his contract, he was still young and unproven but full of potential.  Faber brocketed into the stratosphere his rookie season.

It don't think it will be equal unless Fabes takes a hometown discount.

[Citizen Strife]

You can't talk surplus bargain without seeing Ek's contract.  Though, I wonder if Guerin even knew Ek would do that.

Faber's contract will probably be fine if at the $8-9m range.

[viper3119]

32 minutes ago, Will D. Ness said:

It don't think it will be equal unless Fabes takes a hometown discount.

I think an 8 by 8 million or maybe a 7 by 7.5 million would be a great deal for the Wild.

[Pewterschmidt]

38 minutes ago, Will D. Ness said:

Faber brocketed

RESPECT!

[Sam]

So what I’m getting out of this is the money we saved on Boldy (and potentially Faber), makes up for over-paying Middleton and Freddy.

[FredJohnson]

(non sequitur)

Why is Spotrac showing us 18k over the cap?

[FredJohnson]

11 minutes ago, Sam said:

So what I’m getting out of this is the money we saved on Boldy (and potentially Faber), makes up for over-paying Middleton and Freddy.

Imagine using those savings and the Parise-Suter buyout money on guys like Fifi and Nyquist. 😞

[WheelSnipeCelly]

55 minutes ago, FredJohnson said:

(non sequitur)

Why is Spotrac showing us 18k over the cap?

I think because it doesn't account for which players will start the season in the AHL. It looks like we have 15 forwards signed (at least 2 will start in Iowa). Puckpedia has the Wild $1.5M under the cap. 

[FredJohnson]

11 minutes ago, WheelSnipeCelly said:

I think because it doesn't account for which players will start the season in the AHL. It looks like we have 15 forwards signed (at least 2 will start in Iowa). Puckpedia has the Wild $1.5M under the cap. 

👍👍👍 Thank you!

[Imyourhuckleberry]

1 hour ago, FredJohnson said:

Why is Spotrac showing us 18k over the cap?

Should be fine.  They have 24 guys on the Active roster, including Travis Boyd and Brendan Gaunce, who have 2-way deals and are expected to be in Iowa. In Iowa, they will be paid less(by $225k each annually) and that will put the Wild below the salary cap.

Puckpedia has those guys projected in the minors. I think Spotrac may be using NHL salary for all of the guys, so their projections are a bit higher than we'll see in the actual season.

https://puckpedia.com/team/minnesota-wild

[mnfaninnc]

22 minutes ago, Imyourhuckleberry said:

Should be fine.  They have 24 guys on the Active roster, including Travis Boyd and Brendan Gaunce, who have 2-way deals and are expected to be in Iowa. In Iowa, they will be paid less(by $225k each annually) and that will put the Wild below the salary cap.

Let's also remember that the Wild typically run a roster of 22 for at least the 1st couple of months. That will save a little bit more. 

So, now that capfriendly is closed, where are people going for contract information? Has another site really stepped up its game?

I truly believe that Faber is taking a hometown discount. I think he wants to be here and wants to be surrounded with good players. I could see him signing something around 8 X $7.25 or $58m. I have no evidence, just a feeling. Also, it would be difficult to spend $58m in a lifetime.

I believe they'll give Rossi a bridge deal, but I also believed that for Boldy. I think it will be something like 2 years @ $6m ( $2.5m + $3.5m). While this is underpaid, I'm not sure that Rossi has time served to give him arbitration rights yet. I think the team will then decide if he is worth the longterm investment. 

But, let's say Rossi wants the longterm deal now. At what price would Rossi get a longterm deal done which is a benefit such as the Boldy value type of deal? If Rossi goes 8 X, what is that number? I'd have to believe it would be south of Ek's number. 

Last thought, and outside of the cost certainty that Guerin has liked. What if instead of a huge longterm deal for both Faber and Rossi, they both got decent base salaries + a lot of performance bonus potential? So, maybe for Faber, a $7m base could be parlayed into a $10m year if he meets criteria? 

Same for Rossi, maybe he gets a $4m base with plenty of bonus potential. Does the team have to account for the bonuses from the beginning? This I don't know but perhaps Mr. Cheatachu would know. 

If you're having a real good year, I am fully behind performance bonuses. Equally, if your years are like the guys who just got resigned last season, just having your smaller base might be sufficient. I like an earn what you make mentality, and, of course, 1 bonus has to be Stanley Cup champion.

[FredJohnson]

3 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

Let's also remember that the Wild typically run a roster of 22 for at least the 1st couple of months. That will save a little bit more. 

So, now that capfriendly is closed, where are people going for contract information? Has another site really stepped up its game?

I truly believe that Faber is taking a hometown discount. I think he wants to be here and wants to be surrounded with good players. I could see him signing something around 8 X $7.25 or $58m. I have no evidence, just a feeling. Also, it would be difficult to spend $58m in a lifetime.

I believe they'll give Rossi a bridge deal, but I also believed that for Boldy. I think it will be something like 2 years @ $6m ( $2.5m + $3.5m). While this is underpaid, I'm not sure that Rossi has time served to give him arbitration rights yet. I think the team will then decide if he is worth the longterm investment. 

But, let's say Rossi wants the longterm deal now. At what price would Rossi get a longterm deal done which is a benefit such as the Boldy value type of deal? If Rossi goes 8 X, what is that number? I'd have to believe it would be south of Ek's number. 

Last thought, and outside of the cost certainty that Guerin has liked. What if instead of a huge longterm deal for both Faber and Rossi, they both got decent base salaries + a lot of performance bonus potential? So, maybe for Faber, a $7m base could be parlayed into a $10m year if he meets criteria? 

Same for Rossi, maybe he gets a $4m base with plenty of bonus potential. Does the team have to account for the bonuses from the beginning? This I don't know but perhaps Mr. Cheatachu would know. 

If you're having a real good year, I am fully behind performance bonuses. Equally, if your years are like the guys who just got resigned last season, just having your smaller base might be sufficient. I like an earn what you make mentality, and, of course, 1 bonus has to be Stanley Cup champion.

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/minnesota-wild/overview/_/year/2024
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[Citizen Strife]

I think certain bonuses could count against the cap.  I know Rossi making the rookie team got him a bit extra money.  Didn't Yurov attempt to get some bonuses to sign early?  It's possible some are automatically put against the cap, while others are dependent on reaching the milestones...not completely sure.

Lundell getting $5m should show what Rossi might be in the ballpark for if he goes long term.

Edited July 18 by Citizen Strife

[viper3119]

1 hour ago, mnfaninnc said:

as the Boldy value type of deal? If Rossi goes 8 X, what is that number?

5 million, give him the Ekk money!

[Imyourhuckleberry]

1 hour ago, mnfaninnc said:

I truly believe that Faber is taking a hometown discount. I think he wants to be here and wants to be surrounded with good players. I could see him signing something around 8 X $7.25 or $58m. I have no evidence, just a feeling. Also, it would be difficult to spend $58m in a lifetime.

Faber might be comfortable taking a discount, but his agent is unlikely to discuss an offer below $8M if looking at 8 years and $8M would be a hometown discount. If you want a smaller number, the years would need to reduce.

The Wild will almost certainly need to make Faber the highest paid defenseman on the team and Spurgeon is currently at $7.575.  Jake Sanderson getting just over $8M will make it difficult for Faber's agent to accept anything below $8M if they are talking 8 years. Realistically, it's highly likely the Wild would need to exceed Sanderson's deal of $8.050M per season in order for the agent to consider bringing the offer to Faber to have a chance at him signing it.

[UncleWalt]

Sanderson had a longer track record and a higher draft pedigree, but then there’s inflation and the cap going up. Regardless, the EH number has always made more sense than Russo’s.

[IllicitFive]

5 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

So, now that capfriendly is closed, where are people going for contract information? Has another site really stepped up its game?

I like spotrac myself for contract information. Good year by year break down per player, positions, and a summary of overall from current through 29-30.

[Imyourhuckleberry]

3 hours ago, UncleWalt said:

Sanderson had a longer track record and a higher draft pedigree, but then there’s inflation and the cap going up. Regardless, the EH number has always made more sense than Russo’s.

Sanderson was drafted higher, but with 60%+ of NHLers being left-stick players, a RHD like Faber presents a more difficult spot to fill. Also, Faber did play 200 more minutes than Sanderson this last season, besting him in even strength points, PP points, blocks and hits. I wouldn't be shocked by Faber signing for $65-66M over 8 years to be a bit above Sanderson's contract value of $64.4M.

It's not insane to believe that Faber would sign for $7.5M, but his agent will push for him to get more than Sanderson since they are around the same age and impact, but Faber being the more rare commodity with the right-handed stick.

[mnhockeyfan03]

No rush in doing a Faber deal yet.  Let’s see how he does this year against good teams.  He struggled last year against the best big teams.  6x6 is fair or wait the year out.  We always rush to sign guys and it has bitten us with the 3-4 guys we signed last year.  Just be patient and let things play out.  Hopefully Spurgeon is healthy and has bounce back year and you can trade him at the deadline. More still needs to be done with this team. 

[SpaceCowboy]

I think extending to Faber to a decent long-term deal is worth it. Anywhere along the 8x8+M AAV seems reasonable to me. It would look seem to project similar to Boldy's contract in that there is possibility to get good surplus value. Faber has seemed quite consistent for a little over one season. And with the projected increase in salary cap in the future, I think anywhere between 8-8.7 AAV should be worth it. I believe there is a higher chance that if the Wild wait to sign him he will produce more and cost more a year later.

For Rossi, I am very onboard with a bridge deal. I think there are a few more centers in the system that could project out to top 6 center that if Rossi outprices himself at the end of a bridge deal, there will be reasonable replacements.

I am enjoying the more civil conversation as of late haha

[B1GKappa97]

20 hours ago, FredJohnson said:

Imagine using those savings and the Parise-Suter buyout money on guys like Fifi and Nyquist. 😞

I have and its just a top-heavy team with bad defense. Having Fifi means no Faber, which means only Middsy and Brodin as top-4 quality defensemen last year. 

I'd have rather kept Nyquist over Johansson, hands down, but its not like either is a long-term solution for the top-6. 

[B1GKappa97]

gosh idk I'd hate for him to get locked up long term cuz then we'll have less flexibility in the future. I would much rather save that cap space to go get a brock faber kind of guy in UFA instead..

better just make it a 2 year deal so we have cap space and way more flexibility in the future!! plus then we wont have to add those pesky NMCs to the contract!!!

[B1GKappa97]

13 hours ago, mnhockeyfan03 said:

No rush in doing a Faber deal yet.  Let’s see how he does this year against good teams.  He struggled last year against the best big teams.  6x6 is fair or wait the year out.  We always rush to sign guys and it has bitten us with the 3-4 guys we signed last year.  Just be patient and let things play out.  Hopefully Spurgeon is healthy and has bounce back year and you can trade him at the deadline. More still needs to be done with this team. 

You're setting yourself up for disappointment if you're expecting Spurgy to get traded this season. There is absolutely no reason to rush that. 

Once Zeev shows up and establishes that, yes, he is prepared to play at this level THEN you can comfortably trade off Spurgy. Until then, there's no reason to kick him out. 

[mnfaninnc]

1 hour ago, B1GKappa97 said:

Once Zeev shows up and establishes that, yes, he is prepared to play at this level THEN you can comfortably trade off Spurgy. Until then, there's no reason to kick him out. 

I can think of 7.5m reasons.