Patrick Verified Member Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Give him 3rd line minutes and ride it out. If nothing else he can effectively carry the puck through the neutral zone. If we have another injury nightmare we are screwed anyway so what difference does it make if he is on the 2nd line as that point. Maybe we can flip him for something at the deadline. It's better than paying to get rid of him. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protec Verified Member Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 12 minutes ago, FredJohnson said: "Johansson has played 911 games over 14 seasons, accumulating 174 goals and 309 assists for a total of 483 points and minus 65 for his career. He has value and can still be a contributing teammate in the right environment. But last season's 78-game calisthenics in-game training left most fans wishing Guerin would have kept Nyquist instead." NoJo seems to need someone like Ovie to put a boot up his arse once in a while for motivation. And I remember Nyquist being a cap casualty. Am I wrong? I don't know NyQuist wanted to stay in MN, that's a factor I suppose. If I recall the timing, NoJo got 2x2M not long after MN was eliminated. Between that and the Gus arbitration instead of trading him, Nyquisst money wasn't possible. Short answer, yes. MN should have traded Gus at max value, back-filled in net and used Wallstedt more. Found money to retain Nyqyist who looked better than NoJo and performed better last season. That's the biggest mystery about it all, how does Guerin pick NoJo and then lock him in on L2 all season despite obvious lazy, uninspired hockey. Guerin should have recognized the "flash in the pan" upon arrival on Boldy's line and one pretty playoff goal for what it was. The NoJo money and slot right now could put MN at around 10M of cap space with UFAs galore and incentive for prospects to nab a winger role... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up North Guy Verified Member Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 1 hour ago, OldDutchChip said: Ohgren and Khusnutdinov are here to provide better depth now. because we believe? because Marat had 1 goal in 16 games? is it because despite winning his first 3 FO he is just at 47% for the year? or is it because of his better than advertised speed? Or maybe its Ohgren's pedigree who played for a whooping 4 games in NHL but is ready to step in and show that he belongs? sorry until they show something, i am going to assume they are a bit less than proven NHLers You sure do shout a lot. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldDutchChip Verified Member Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 6 minutes ago, Up North Guy said: You sure do shout a lot. i love shouting. can you hear me? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pewterschmidt Verified Member Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 34 minutes ago, Protec said: I've noticed Guerin gives guys a chance til he doesn't. True. And if Guerin finds a way to rid the roster of the stain that is Nojo, Wild fans will give Guerin some goodwill 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up North Guy Verified Member Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 16 minutes ago, OldDutchChip said: i love shouting. can you hear me? You should make it all caps so we know you are serious. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnt Toast Verified Member Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 The Wild don’t have a lot of good options regarding MJ. It’s like when you buy a used car then regret it because it’s breaking down. The money is spent already. There’s risk involved and MJ looks like a bad call by management. Of course there is a chance that this year is different. Sure maybe a small chance. I think the best thing to do is just slot the guy where he deserves to be. At least it sends a message to the rest of the team there’s some level of accountability. Second line? Fourth line? Press Box, AHL? MJ show us by your play where you really want to be. Management show us your agenda really is winning. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCheatachu Verified Member Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 2 hours ago, OldDutchChip said: due to his NTC i do not believe he can be just sent there without his content thus the predicament. otherwise - leo would have sent half the team to iowa already and we be in a swell position I believe you are confusing No Trade Clause (NTC) with a No Movement Clause (NMC). According to the soon to be closed capfriendly.com (😭😭😭), Mojo has a NTC not a NMC meaning he can be sent down to Iowa, and have to clear waivers. You could, arguably, convince a player they are going to be put on waivers, but team X is interested in you...waive your clause and go to team X otherwise welcome to Arizona Utah 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldDutchChip Verified Member Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 3 minutes ago, MrCheatachu said: I believe you are confusing No Trade Clause (NTC) with a No Movement Clause (NMC). According to the soon to be closed capfriendly.com (😭😭😭), Mojo has a NTC not a NMC meaning he can be sent down to Iowa, and have to clear waivers. You could, arguably, convince a player they are going to be put on waivers, but team X is interested in you...waive your clause and go to team X otherwise welcome to Arizona Utah well that's a very good find, thanks MrC! then really no excuse to have MJ on the roster! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCheatachu Verified Member Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 2 hours ago, Pewterschmidt said: They allowed him (and no one rose up to take his spot) to coast, literally coast, thru a full season last year presumably for his ability to skate the puck thru the neutral zone. Without ever sending him a message using reduced ice time. He's in the middle six for next season too whether we like it or not. B-i-n-g-o. It's the NHL, the players want to win, the coaches want to win, the staff want to win. It's not youth AAA hockey where Mojo's still here because his dad's construction company is the jersey sponsor. If someone from the AHL would have played well enough to take his spot, they would have. Hynsie's job as a coach is to ice the best team, with lines that maximize the potential to win the game with the pieces that BillyG made available to him. If Mojo's the best available, then damnit, we got to make Mojo work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCheatachu Verified Member Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 1 minute ago, OldDutchChip said: then really no excuse to have MJ on the roster! except we're broke...we cant afford anything nice. I challenge you to find me a better available player for $1.15M/season who's available. And remember, I watched all last season so if you say any player from Iowa, you're gonna get smacked with a rolled up newspaper. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Strife Verified Member Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Guerin gives people just enough leash to be worth a damn. You have to remember that if he didn't get rid of Parise and Suter when he did, he'd be forced to ditch money immediately because Parise retired. Suter may or may not follow suit. Guerin's option was keep them and rue the uncertain consequences later, or navigate a potential shitshow with and endpoint. What we don't know is how much if any Leipold is or isn't mandating about where the team should or should not be. For all we know, Guerin would like to ice a San Jose/Chicago team but can't do a transparent rebuild, but also has 13-15m burning a hole through his depth chart. I hav heard him say from day one drafting is important and to build from the goalie out. Unless that hits counter to what Leipold wants (the way Fletcher did things), who knows what he can or can't really do. Hindsight being what it is, some contracts are unwarranted,, but I'd rather not relive false hope trades like Moulson, Hanzal, Bergenheim, etc and leave the prospect pool even dryer than it is. If a $2m player scoring 30 points is the price the team has to pay to bridge a gap, fine. Again, putting the Lucchinis, Letteris, Mermises, and Addisons of the world is a recipe for Jack all of nothing. If paying Mojo for one more year keeps AHL lifers out of the main lineup again, I'll take it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldDutchChip Verified Member Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 (edited) 16 minutes ago, MrCheatachu said: except we're broke...we cant afford anything nice. I challenge you to find me a better available player for $1.15M/season who's available. And remember, I watched all last season so if you say any player from Iowa, you're gonna get smacked with a rolled up newspaper. i think the biggest thing is that removing MJ creates room for top 6. if he is on the ice, we have no choice but to play him in that top 6 role. he is useless everywhere else. not to mention PP role. as far as iowa goes - i would not look at Iowa (except for Sammy W - his time with the wild in 2022 was really impressive but then he kind of got a quick shot and then got burried so if he can get more of a fair shot - he would be my dark horse) but instead get aggressive starting with the draft and push for proven player (all while assuming that MJ is gone via trade or waiver route). spicy things happen at the draft, lets be prepared to act. there can be a package constructed from the mixture of Rossi, Spurge, Prospects (no prospect is untouchable for me) and picks (no untouchables here too). Potentially looking to deal out Spurge for nothing by including some picks and then plan on few scenarios - trade or free agency - and look at players i've already mentioned before. so basically i think MJs biggest harm to the team is his role. if he is a dewar i am more than fine sliding him to 4th line. but he is not . he is a waste of space and a waste of crucial space at that. thinking progressive and dangerous - what about Yurov and Spurge for Tuch? i dunno Sabres seem to be just as bad as always, maybe they want to take a swing at "can't-miss-prospect" and take our captain just like we did from them years ago.....then we sign guentzel and live happily ever after? EK GUENTZEL KAP TUCH BOLDY I guess ROSSI 🤔 Edited June 17 by OldDutchChip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiranhasOnIce Verified Member Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 3 hours ago, OldDutchChip said: well that's a very good find, thanks MrC! then really no excuse to have MJ on the roster! Hopefully there is a team out there that saw his "inspired" World Championship performance and will take him for a bag of pucks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezig Verified Member Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 I've said it here before. It's a free agency year. I expect MoJo to have a much improved effort. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protec Verified Member Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 15 minutes ago, Fezig said: I've said it here before. It's a free agency year. I expect MoJo to have a much improved effort. The thing is, he was here in a contract year before and it ended badly. We all breathed a sigh of relief when Vegas broke his shoulder on a very NoJo-esque half-effort jam at a loose puck. Not a high-skill Euro play. "If the grit don't fit, you must demote to Swedish-spritzer league." 😁 I'm still working on the ending. Suggestions welcome. I was thinking "it's Euro-shit" but I don't wanna do racist against Euros. Or like what Guerin said about Talbot and his agent, "I don't have to do shit." 🤣 In the case of NoJo or Laine, "If the grit don't fit, it ain't a good get." "If the grit don't fit, fill in the blank" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pewterschmidt Verified Member Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, Protec said: The thing is, he was here in a contract year before and it ended badly. We all breathed a sigh of relief when Vegas broke his shoulder on a very NoJo-esque half-effort jam at a loose puck. Not a high-skill Euro play. "If the grit don't fit, you must demote to Swedish-spritzer league." 😁 I'm still working on the ending. Suggestions welcome. I was thinking "it's Euro-shit" but I don't wanna do racist against Euros. Or like what Guerin said about Talbot and his agent, "I don't have to do shit." 🤣 In the case of NoJo or Laine, "If the grit don't fit, it ain't a good get." "If the grit don't fit, fill in the blank" #getoverit #theycaneatshit #itstimetoquit #dontbeatwit #itstimetosit 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnt Toast Verified Member Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 17 hours ago, FredJohnson said: And I remember Nyquist being a cap casualty. Am I wrong? Ya Nyquist got capped…. Just a little more AAV than MJ but last year the Wild were down to bare bones. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnt Toast Verified Member Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, Protec said: If the grit don't fit, fill in the blank" You ain’t lit 🔥. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCheatachu Verified Member Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 5 minutes ago, Burnt Toast said: Ya Nyquist got capped…. Just a little more AAV than MJ but last year the Wild were down to bare bones. Oh yeah, and the fan base would have been STOKED if we signed a 34 year old winger who (until this season) was a 0.6 ppg player to a 2x$3.125M contract. He was skating first line with Filip Forsberg and Ryan O'Reilley that turned him into a 0.9 PPG player last season. No way he's a 0.9 ppg player skating with either Rossi/Zucc/Hartman/Freddy 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will D. Ness Verified Member Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 2 hours ago, Protec said: "If the grit don't fit, fill in the blank" Ice dancing is legit? Too many syllables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pewterschmidt Verified Member Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 2 hours ago, Protec said: "If the grit don't fit, fill in the blank" #then it's toe picks and stick flips #then his breezers look like a f'ing barrel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dis-allowed display name Verified Member Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) He is a sunk cost. I start him, but on the lowest line possible given his effort level in camp. Give him the ability to work his way up or down with his play. If he plays his way into the press box, fine. Give him a couple opportunities to play and if nothing changes, Iowa it is. If he waives the clause, fine, if not I-O-W-A. I think it helps a great deal that it is a contract year. He will either put in some effort in a desperate attempt to stay in the league, or just not care and accept this is the end. The Wild are not a cup contender this year so who cares? He is one and done. I also think he will be a bit better this year because it would be hard to be worse. But there are carrots and sticks. The team needs to start using sticks. Edited June 18 by Dis-allowed display name 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredJohnson Verified Member Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, Will D. Ness said: Ice dancing is legit? Too many syllables. You must not quit? You must omit? You'll spit the bit? That's the first few clean ones I could think of. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredJohnson Verified Member Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 19 hours ago, Protec said: Jostradamus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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