Article: Would Jake Guentzel Give the Wild A Hometown Discount?

[Luke Sims]

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[Citizen Strife]

You'd need to dump Gus and another contract to make it feasible.

[TheGoosesAreLooses]

What about Kirill Marachenko? Could we offer sheet him?

It would be worth while and I'm sure he wants a way out of the sinking ship that is Columbus. It would put a big Russian right winger on the second line and cost us nothing but draft capital. 

Kap- EEK- Marachenko

Ohgren- Rossi- Boldy

Mojo- Khus- Zucc

Freddy- Hartman- Foligno

When Yurov comes, see if he meshes with top line and make the second line Rossi- EEK- Boldy.

That leaves 2025;

Kap- Yurov- Marachenko

Rossi- EEK- Boldy

Ohgren- Khus- Zucc

Freddy- Hartman- Foligno

That is two serious and scary lines, beef on the forth for some physicality and I don't mind the two way Khus, power forward Ohgen and playmaker Zucc line either. Both Ohgren and Khus are responsible 200ft players to make up for Zucc lacking in the defense department. Rossi and Boldy have played well together before and would be a tough line to play against with JEEK out there. The Russian Three are young, talented and fast. Marachenko brings some size to the line, is a shooter and Yurov is no slouch either.

Edited May 24 by TheGoosesAreLooses

[FredJohnson]

1 hour ago, Citizen Strife said:

You'd need to dump Gus and another contract to make it feasible.

I wonder why no one has mentioned this. (Sarcasm)

😂

[MrCheatachu]

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"I've loved my experience here. I've loved it here. It's a great place to play. I don't think you realize behind the scenes how good it is. The guys make it good too. We'll see what happens... This team for sure can win a Stanley Cup. I think it's right there... I want to win more than anything and that's all I care about."

From the Hurricanes exit interviews: https://www.nhl.com/hurricanes/news/2024-exit-interview-quotebook-day-1

Yeah...I mean, I get that he's not going to shit all over his current team or the current city he's playing in, there's no upside to that.  But from his comments I do believe that, unless the canes decide to blow it up, that he'd be more likely to give the canes a discount than the Wild.

[Dango]

I would wait 1 more year and see if Boeser can be had but even with the cap penalties we need to get Faber signed  ,  Boeser has that size bonus  that i like and hes one of us .

 

 

[Lern2spell]

Doubt he would even entertain it, but if he does sign for a discount, it would be in a non income tax state...

[raithis]

1 hour ago, TheGoosesAreLooses said:

What about Kirill Marachenko? Could we offer sheet him?

It would be worth while and I'm sure he wants a way out of the sinking ship that is Columbus. It would put a big Russian right winger on the second line and cost us nothing but draft capital. 

Kap- EEK- Marachenko

Ohgren- Rossi- Boldy

Mojo- Khus- Zucc

Freddy- Hartman- Foligno

When Yurov comes, see if he meshes with top line and make the second line Rossi- EEK- Boldy.

That leaves 2025;

Kap- Yurov- Marachenko

Rossi- EEK- Boldy

Ohgren- Khus- Zucc

Freddy- Hartman- Foligno

That is two serious and scary lines, beef on the forth for some physicality and I don't mind the two way Khus, power forward Ohgen and playmaker Zucc line either. Both Ohgren and Khus are responsible 200ft players to make up for Zucc lacking in the defense department. Rossi and Boldy have played well together before and would be a tough line to play against with JEEK out there. The Russian Three are young, talented and fast. Marachenko brings some size to the line, is a shooter and Yurov is no slouch either.

I like your Marchenko idea a lot.  When we played Columbus, he tended to stand out a bit.  Size - check, RHS - check, younger - check, effective, disciplined play - check.  The one thing I'd be curious about is whether he tends to stick to the perimeter more or if he is willing to get to the net.  We have enough guys that don't want to get banged around a bit.  If he's willing to drive to the net, then I like it even more.

[mnfaninnc]

Let's just say that Guentzel would be open to a hometown discount. It could be done on a handshake deal from Guerin. Sign a 1 yr. deal and then get a long term deal. 

I like Guentzel, except for his LHS. That's just because we are oversaturated with LHSs. He's only 5'11" 181, but that doesn't seem to affect his play at all. I think he's one of those guys who can still compete lighter. And, he gets to the front of the net.

[Pewterschmidt]

2 hours ago, Dango said:

I would wait 1 more year and see if Boeser can be had but even with the cap penalties we need to get Faber signed  ,  Boeser has that size bonus  that i like and hes one of us .

 

Extra points for the random Star Wars clip.

#shazbut

#nanunanu

[mnfaninnc]

2 hours ago, Lern2spell said:

Doubt he would even entertain it, but if he does sign for a discount, it would be in a non income tax state...

I don't know that this is accurate. Yes, the non-income tax states have plenty to offer, generally speaking good weather too. But there are many reasons why a guy might like a particular area. 

I asked about this in a different thread. If you were going to market our area, how would you do it? For me I'd highlight the middle market population with large market fandom. I'd highlight the Minnesota nice of neighborhoods and the quick suburban run to a more rural life. Outdoor skating rinks and lots of fishing and golf in the summer. It's a really nice place to raise a family. 

This is really a good exercise for all in market people to try to recruit people. Knowing the neighborhoods and where different nationalities congregate might also be helpful. 

What I don't think is reality is that the area sucks and should be a B market non-destination for top players. I think it has a lot to offer.

[OldDutchChip]

Guentzel would be a great get. 6.5 x 4 and unlimited golf at bremer should do it. Don't care if he is from Nebraska or Minnesota. I do care that he is a very good and consistent player. He fits in with win now approach too. so yes yes yes. but please NO 8X8 contract - that would be 💩 very 💩

[Up North Guy]

4 hours ago, MrCheatachu said:

Yeah...I mean, I get that he's not going to shit all over his current team or the current city he's playing in, there's no upside to that.  But from his comments I do believe that, unless the canes decide to blow it up, that he'd be more likely to give the canes a discount than the Wild.

According to NHL network Waddell just resigned from Carolina as President/GM so who knows what will happen there?

[Protec]

If Guerin wasn't bogged-down paying for NoJo, he'd have 7M to offer at least. Scoring winger who shows up for playoffs and doesn't have blood clots sounds better than waiting a year for NoJo to suck more and hoping Boeser is healthy. 

I like the idea of Guentzal, but I think the Wild are more in the economy isle shopping for UFAs. Not Lunds or Byerlys, think Cub foods or back in the day Rainbow which I'm surprised didn't maintain popularity in the Twin Cities. 

😁

[mnfaninnc]

5 hours ago, Up North Guy said:

According to NHL network Waddell just resigned from Carolina as President/GM so who knows what will happen there?

I read this the other way, but for clarity purposes, Tulsky is the new GM in Carolina. He was one of their AGMs.

[mnfaninnc]

3 hours ago, Protec said:

Not Lunds or Byerlys, think Cub foods or back in the day Rainbow which I'm surprised didn't maintain popularity in the Twin Cities. 

It's better than buying the hot dogs in a 7-11 expecting gourmet. 

[Lern2spell]

6 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

"I don't know that this is accurate. Yes, the non-income tax states have plenty to offer, generally speaking good weather too. But there are many reasons why a guy might like a particular area."...

..."What I don't think is reality is that the area sucks and should be a B market non-destination for top players. I think it has a lot to offer."

I don't disagree with this, if talking market value, but this article mentions a $3M 'discount', which raises other issues. There is a chance (highly unlikely) the NHLPA would be okay with that kind of a discount to a no, or low, income tax state. Said talented player would definitely catch some grief trying to justify such a signing in a high income tax state, especially if signing with term and an increasing cap over the next few years...

[Imyourhuckleberry]

Shocking playoffs in the Ice Hockey World Championship, at least for me.

Kevin Fiala, Sven Andrighetto(former NHLer), and Nino Niederreiter pulled off the upset of Canada to advance to the championship game.

Gustavsson had his only bad game of the tournament when a surprisingly competitive Czechia squad upended Sweden 7-3. Their backup goalie let in two of the goals after Gus was lifted, ending with a worse save percentage than Gus. Sweden had not allowed more than 2 goals in any game prior to this one.

So, as nobody predicted, Switzerland will face Czechia for the Gold/Silver.

Canada will face Sweden for the Bronze.

[RazWild]

Are we just going to ignore the little factoid that Guentzel isn't from Minnesota? Why would Guentzel give Guerin and the Wild a discount at all just because he played high school hockey here?

He played high school hockey here as a way to advance his goal of becoming an NHL player and further his development to reach that goal, yes. But Guentzel is from Omaha, Nebraska.

[Up North Guy]

13 hours ago, RazWild said:

Are we just going to ignore the little factoid that Guentzel isn't from Minnesota? Why would Guentzel give Guerin and the Wild a discount at all just because he played high school hockey here?

He played high school hockey here as a way to advance his goal of becoming an NHL player and further his development to reach that goal, yes. But Guentzel is from Omaha, Nebraska.

I am probably wrong about this but I do believe that Jake was raised in Minnesota. He was born in Omaha but his Dad was a long time assistant coach for the Gophers.

[mnfaninnc]

On 5/24/2024 at 10:34 PM, Lern2spell said:

I don't disagree with this, if talking market value, but this article mentions a $3M 'discount', which raises other issues. There is a chance (highly unlikely) the NHLPA would be okay with that kind of a discount to a no, or low, income tax state. Said talented player would definitely catch some grief trying to justify such a signing in a high income tax state, especially if signing with term and an increasing cap over the next few years...

And, what if said player wanted to go home and signed a 1 year deal at a discount (steep discount) to do so because of stupid cap penalties that should have been grandfathered in? The NHLPA did a lousy job of not cutting that out of the 2013 CBA, they probably didn't understand the ramifications to them.

The ramifications are that the owner of the Wild paid like $6m in buyout salary, but were tagged with over $30m in penalties. Essentially, that meant that Leipold could boast about having a full cap team while actually paying much closer to minimum salaries. 

That money simply disappeared for the players.

[mnfaninnc]

15 hours ago, RazWild said:

But Guentzel is from Omaha, Nebraska.

I would say that even from Omaha, the Wild could be his home team. It would be between us, St. Louis and Colorado. It is very likely this is his home team.

[Protec]

Guentzal played youth hockey in Woodbury if I recall before Hill Murray. Yes, Mike Guentzal was a coach at the U of M under Lucia. 

Discounts are not typical for players like Guentzal who have proven to be consistent NHL producers. I could see Nashville, Utah, or Chicago signing him while Guerin hangs onto NoJo.

It wouldn't surprise me to see him stay in the East either. Canes, maybe Boston, or Toronto if they trade out expensive players. 

[Pewterschmidt]

On 5/24/2024 at 5:35 PM, Protec said:

If Guerin wasn't bogged-down paying for NoJo, he'd have 7M to offer at least. Scoring winger who shows up for playoffs and doesn't have blood clots sounds better than waiting a year for NoJo to suck more and hoping Boeser is healthy. 

I like the idea of Guentzal, but I think the Wild are more in the economy isle shopping for UFAs. Not Lunds or Byerlys, think Cub foods or back in the day Rainbow which I'm surprised didn't maintain popularity in the Twin Cities. 

😁

I’d say Guerin &co are still at dollar general for one more season

[Luke Sims]

On 5/24/2024 at 1:09 PM, mnfaninnc said:

Let's just say that Guentzel would be open to a hometown discount. It could be done on a handshake deal from Guerin. Sign a 1 yr. deal and then get a long term deal. 

I like Guentzel, except for his LHS. That's just because we are oversaturated with LHSs. He's only 5'11" 181, but that doesn't seem to affect his play at all. I think he's one of those guys who can still compete lighter. And, he gets to the front of the net.

Yeah, it's just 29-year-olds in their prime tend to not go for handshake deals but Billy Guerin and the boys club may have a trick or two up their sleeves.