Article: The Ryan Suter Buyout Is Officially A Failed Experiment

[B1GKappa97]

1 hour ago, Mateo3xm said:

I think it’s WAY too early to say that. I could see him turning out to be more like a 4th dman vs a number 1 dman

Yeah I think if Lambos was going to live up to his pre-COVID hype of a top-10 talent pick, he would've shown it by now. Instead its been Hunt who's gotten the call up ahead of him, and that guy was a 3rd round selection. 

Hunt has more points in the AHL than Lambos does, despite playing in half the games. 

[IllicitFive]

12 hours ago, Stillwaitingforacuprun said:

Been saying this from the beginning...Love, hate, doesn't matter...you can't in any fricken way buy out 2 major contracts the same year...especially to a teams fans who for 20+ years not counting the North Stars havent seen a parade yet... We are no closer to winning anything than we were in 2000... For all you guys who say we're better off without Suter...how about now?

Still better off, dude was a known problem in the locker room. Cut out the cancer, deal with the recovery and go from there. This year better? No, next? Probably not. Previous years? Id say yes. Future? I am guessing yes but I can't read the future yet. One thing we have learned about GMBG is that he wants certainty over uncertainty, hence the buy outs, then you know EXACTLY what you are dealing with over crossing fingers and hoping for the best. Current situation is in no way the worst case scenario. 

[mnfaninnc]

2 hours ago, Mateo3xm said:

I think it’s WAY too early to say that. I could see him turning out to be more like a 4th dman vs a number 1 dman

This is fair, but I still think it was Suter's replacement. He'll play a little differently, but I'd expect him to be a minute eater and very good at +/-. I think he'll be Faber's partner.

[raithis]

3 hours ago, Dean said:

    I disagree that we’ve built up this prospect pool with higher ceilings than we’ve ever had. Fletcher drafted the same 20tg overalls and had a few better picks than 20. Just like bill. Fletchers guys are still on team an in nhl. Maybe bill has better eye for talent. To early to tell but the prospects are of the same ceilings as Fletcher had.  Like Lou Naane was saying. A 20 th overall is no where near the level Of a top 5. You need high end talent. You don’t get that from 20 th overall. Ek is like 15 th round pick and he’s not close to a # 1 like Mcdavid,.  Rossi is a 9 th. Not even close to Hughes a #1 pick. Lambos was around 15 th he’s not a Quinn Hughes. 

    My point is we should have been collecting picks and prospects by selling at deadline past few years and getting more bites at apple. Then come out of buyouts with money and prospects. Now we’re coming out with more 20 th overalls and no money. . Stupid in my opinion. 

Regarding picks around ~20th:

Yurov was projected much higher than he was drafted and guess where we drafted him.  Sometimes you get gems at ~20th.  Will they be as good as other top 5 picks from their drafts, maybe/maybe not, but all indications right now suggest that the odds are good.

Remember too that both Yurov and Wallstedt were drafted at around 20th.  I am not much of a gambler, but I'd wager both are going to be as good or better than a lot of the top 5 picks in those drafts.

Also, your comparisons are McDavid and Hughes.  Those kinds of players aren't even available every year.

Regarding collecting picks for more chances:

We picked 5 first rounders in the last 3 years and acquired first-round caliber talent in Faber, so I have no clue what you are getting at.

I'd really like to know how you expect we stockpile top picks without giving up the core of our future.  If there is a McDavid or Hughes available, those picks aren't going to be given up without surrendering your elite players and future 1sts and probably prospects too.  And that's for a player that SHOULD do well.  Bedard can do amazing things, but he is still small.  He could be a hit away from broken bones every year in the NHL.  Or maybe the lottery doesn't work out and we get 4th and end up with another Benoit Pouliot.

I agree we need to have more chances.  That's exactly how you draft at ~20th and build a good, strong roster.  But that's also exactly what we've been doing to build the prospect pool we have.

 

[Pewterschmidt]

36 minutes ago, raithis said:

Yurov and Wallstedt were drafted at around 20th.  I am not much of a gambler, but I'd wager both are going to be as good or better than a lot of the top 5 picks in those drafts.

What are you basing this on aside from random beat writer and Wild Org. hype?

I get that Wally has put up decent performances in AHL, but his debut was a nightmare.  And I'm not convinced Yurov is even skating a regular shift in Siberia.  

[Pewterschmidt]

39 minutes ago, raithis said:

We picked 5 first rounders in the last 3 years and acquired first-round caliber talent in Faber, so I have no clue what you are getting at.

Other Wild First Round Picks: 

AJ "Can't stop the" Thielen

Benoit "Balls" Puliout

James "Big Feet" Sheppard

Colton Gillies

Tyler "It's not a" Cuma

Zack "Conoco" Phillips

Luke "Kunin" Kunin

Filip "WTF" Johannsssen

 

 

[Mateo3xm]

On 1/19/2024 at 9:32 AM, B1GKappa97 said:

Yeah I think if Lambos was going to live up to his pre-COVID hype of a top-10 talent pick, he would've shown it by now. Instead its been Hunt who's gotten the call up ahead of him, and that guy was a 3rd round selection. 

Hunt has more points in the AHL than Lambos does, despite playing in half the games. 

I could be wrong but I thought Hunt was a year older so that’s somewhat understandable.

[Mateo3xm]

21 hours ago, raithis said:

Sometimes you get gems at ~20th.  Will they be as good as other top 5 picks from their drafts, maybe/maybe not

You very rarely get those gems at 20.

at least not game breaking talent

21 hours ago, raithis said:

I am not much of a gambler, but I'd wager both are going to be as good or better than a lot of the top 5 picks in those drafts.

that’s purely speculation at this point. Nobody knows exactly what type of nhl players they are going to be. Better than a lot of top 5 picks?? 

the last 20-25 years every Stanley cup winning team besides 2-3 had a top pick between 1-6.

The chances of you winning a cup without a Crosby, Malkin, Hedman, Fleury, Kane Toews, Doughty are extremely unlikely 

you need those players to win and you have the best chances of getting them in the very early first round.

if you have exceptional drafting and are able to pick high caliber players in the later rounds like St.Louis, Boston, Tampa then you can get away with more but the Wild probably have average or slightly above Average drafting which doesn’t cut it.

This team needs a serious tank for a few years to truly make a legitimate push in the playoffs.

it’s crazy to me when ppl think this team has a chance picking in the middle of the 1st round.

Edited January 20 by Mateo3xm

[Stillwaitingforacuprun]

On 1/18/2024 at 9:45 PM, FredJohnson said:

Thus the "GMRS" moniker. Dude was/is a doosh.

I love all the kool-aid drinkers saying he's a cancer in the locker room..I still haven't heard anybody from the locker room verify that...Just some stoolie from "the Wild"... or talking heads who get their "info" from said spokesperson from the Wild... And now look at all the options for the team the next 2 years without cash....You can point the finger at Suter....or Drunk Billy G...either way ...mediocrity rules the day..and we're no closer to a parade..