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[mnfaninnc]

1 minute ago, Tony Abbott said:

They are asking for $300 million of public money, I'd like to know what kind of organization it'd be going to. 

I hadn't considered that aspect, and to me, that's a lot of money that really doesn't need to be spent. I'd be frugal if I were St. Paul or the state.

Since I'm an out of towner, just who owns the X? If it is the city or state, then the remodeling of the place would be mostly on them. But, then is it necessary? Maybe some stuff is but I doubt $300m is.

[Willy the poor boy]

17 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

I think I've been pretty consistent. I supported Deano until I found out that after gaining minimal points on an Eastern road trip, Deano gave the players 2 games off and just practice 1 hour on the 3rd day. This while the PK was trending at 60% and the PP didn't look so good either. That is simply wrong.

 

Just curious of your thoughts on this:

Up until the Islander game, the Wild had held one practice since Dec. 27'th.This with a new coach likely trying to install a new system with the team.

One practice through a tremendously rough patch for the tea.

And I have to say this, not trying to start anything but, you had been on the fire Deano band wagon long before that.

[Protec]

It just seems like some guys think ambiguous reports of the GM being mean should get him fired and the 180 degree turnaround from Fenton/Fletcher should be totally ignored. Maybe I'm misunderstanding? 

Since the team had injuries like never before and the coach got fired in quite predictable fashion, that also should be tacked on to the list of firable offenses because some third option wasn't explored? 

It just appears to be that GMBG's perceived reactionary responses are being highly criticized by fan's who are responding by saying "fire his ass for being a loose cannon!" While, simultaneously being reactionary and responding to the situation in the very same way they're criticizing Guerin for.

That's really weird to me and no, I don't buy the unsubstantiated reports or scoring from pundits at the first signs of real adversity for MN since Guerin's arrival. It makes it seem like a bunch of whiney-wimpletons can't take some hard times or that some staffer is more important than the whole organization. 

I've seen the Wild play some pretty good hockey this year so what exactly is the alternative? Fire the GM, play the rookies, go back in time and shitcan Foligno, Fred, and Hartman? Come on, grow up boys...

[Protec]

Maybe the refugee population in the Twin Cities could chip in a few million.

[mnfaninnc]

Just now, Willy the poor boy said:

And I have to say this, not trying to start anything but, you had been on the fire Deano band wagon long before that.

My only comment to that was I did not think Deano was our Championship coach, but I firmly stated he earned his extension and there was nothing we could do about that. He overperformed for 3 years, this cannot be argued. 

But, I've always felt that when it was time to make the jump to a contender, we couldn't do it with Deano. His long history of playoff unsuccess was simply too much. I did speculate that if he did not have a series win this year, he probably wouldn't survive, but that was not calling for his head. 

I only did that after the practice.

Now, to your other point, I am very disappointed to learn that Hynes is not practicing these guys either. He should be doing it and doing it often. There's a lot to fix. I don't really care that they're in the middle of a brutal schedule, if you're playing well, then I can see it, but if you're not, you need to be practicing.

Yes, I also believe that is wrong.

[mnfaninnc]

One last thought on this too, Willy. If the flu was running through the team, I can buy that as a reasonable excuse to keep the players away from each other. There was a hint that it was pretty bad for awhile, but I do not know how bad.

I do know it bodyslammed me for 3 straight weeks, and I'm still sapped for energy. But, alas, they are far younger than me!

[raithis]

It should also be considered that Dean had completely lost the team.  I remember numerous occasions just before he was let go where players would start shaking their heads or rolling their eyes.  It was obvious that at least some of them had stopped believing in what he was saying.

Not saying that Guerin doesn't fly off the handle now and then or that it's not occasionally an issue, but it seems a bit weird to be critical Guerin's mistakes and put less emphasis on his successes and laud Evason's successes and put less emphasis on his mistakes.  He was awful at adjusting on the fly and would typically just go back to what worked in the past hoping it would work again.  He would also stick with that far longer than he should before trying something else.  He'd frequently put Gaudreau in top-6 roles.  He outed Kaprizov's injury and threw blame at everyone but himself for his failings.  Yes, Guerin just this too, but thinking one is the worst person for the team and the other is best is ridiculous.

I don't think Guerin is great, but he's better than other GMs we've had in a lot of ways.  I also don't think Hynes is great, but I think he is a better fit for the team than Evason.  I think he will be a better fit as time goes by.  The problem is that he is an Xs and Os guy and our roster isn't deep enough for him to really be successful.  If they play their cards right, next season will allow him a bit more leeway to be successful by giving him more to work with.

That all said, there aren't a lot of reasons not to practice, and even less if you are playing poorly.  I get that a lot of the team is (was) banged up, but that's all the more reason to find out how you get through it.  

[Willy the poor boy]

2 hours ago, raithis said:

It should also be considered that Dean had completely lost the team.  I remember numerous occasions just before he was let go where players would start shaking their heads or rolling their eyes.  It was obvious that at least some of them had stopped believing in what he was saying.

Not saying that Guerin doesn't fly off the handle now and then or that it's not occasionally an issue, but it seems a bit weird to be critical Guerin's mistakes and put less emphasis on his successes and laud Evason's successes and put less emphasis on his mistakes.  He was awful at adjusting on the fly and would typically just go back to what worked in the past hoping it would work again.  He would also stick with that far longer than he should before trying something else.  He'd frequently put Gaudreau in top-6 roles.  He outed Kaprizov's injury and threw blame at everyone but himself for his failings.  Yes, Guerin just this too, but thinking one is the worst person for the team and the other is best is ridiculous.

I don't think Guerin is great, but he's better than other GMs we've had in a lot of ways.  I also don't think Hynes is great, but I think he is a better fit for the team than Evason.  I think he will be a better fit as time goes by.  The problem is that he is an Xs and Os guy and our roster isn't deep enough for him to really be successful.  If they play their cards right, next season will allow him a bit more leeway to be successful by giving him more to work with.

That all said, there aren't a lot of reasons not to practice, and even less if you are playing poorly.  I get that a lot of the team is (was) banged up, but that's all the more reason to find out how you get through it.  

Deano proved his worth over and over and over. I'm not sure what people don't get about taking teams not expected to do much, getting them to overperform year after year. I've said it before I'll say it again, every team goes through slumps in a season, even the best teams, sure, at times there are the exceptions, but it's rare.

To think Deano was suppose to take these teams, overperform AND avoid a slump here and there is crazy talk.

Apparently I can't take the position that it was Deano who saved BG's job and got this team to play together and perform but it's OK to say BG has done it right. Deano's firing was premature. He earned more time. It's just G is weak minded and caved to the Press and many fans and bought into one of the stupidest things in hockey which is to fire a good and proven coach for nothing more than GD bump.

[Willy the poor boy]

21 hours ago, mnfaninnc said:

One last thought on this too, Willy. If the flu was running through the team, I can buy that as a reasonable excuse to keep the players away from each other. There was a hint that it was pretty bad for awhile, but I do not know how bad.

I do know it bodyslammed me for 3 straight weeks, and I'm still sapped for energy. But, alas, they are far younger than me!

I would just say this and that is no one, to my memory, was scratched for illness during that stretch. The only one's missing games were the injured.

I too have had the respatory stuff that's going around and like you I'm on my 3'rd week. I know I wouldn't have been able to skate on back to backs or every other night with this shit. So I'm skeptical of illness being an issue with the team.

[Willy the poor boy]

I've ALWAYS shook my head throughout the BG era. In a nutshell and predominately, EVERYTHING good with this team has gone on BG's shoulders and EVERYTHING bad was on Deano. To me it was always bass ackwards and obviously so.

Time will tell and I am confident I will be vindicated, even though it doesn't matter one wit to me or should it to anyone else. Like I've said, I'll still cheer for the team and hope I'm not only wrong but enormously so, and we finally win a Championship for the 'state of hockey'. Until then, at least for me, it's an embarrassing moniker for a state with no professional hockey success...

Edited January 18 by Willy the poor boy

[Protec]

^^^

I would boil it down to philosophy 101. If you don't control things like what Guerin, Evason, Hynes, or the players do, then letting it bug you too much becomes a personal blunder.

Does it really matter the degree of fault to be distributed amongst those involved? It's probably fair to say they all wanna win.

Would it be the first time injuries, coaches, or GMs have made things better or worse for the results? I don't think so. Only one team can win each year, and MN has struggled for decades. Peaks and valleys, or as many of us have commented like a roller coaster in the Twin Cities. 

We as fans wanna see the Wild get over the hump but it's not really a simple proposition when every team and many fan bases from across the country are exactly the same. It's quite dependent on things lining up just right. You can approach it different ways and argue the merits of varying strategies but ultimately things have to go right regardless of which path is selected. Not simple 1+1=2 kinda stuff. 

When it's January and you're 27th of 32 teams, perhaps it's not worth dwelling on how & why but rather which course will help improve on 2023 for 2024. That's my take and less frustrating than hoping the same things achieve different results for today.

[mnfaninnc]

19 hours ago, Willy the poor boy said:

I too have had the respatory stuff that's going around and like you I'm on my 3'rd week. I know I wouldn't have been able to skate on back to backs or every other night with this shit. So I'm skeptical of illness being an issue with the team.

I remember one of the broadcast team, might have been LaPanta stating that a 4-5 guys were gutting it out and beaten up pretty bad. But, several others were in the fetal position due to the flu. So, that's what I based my comment off of.

[Willy the poor boy]

25 minutes ago, mnfaninnc said:

I remember one of the broadcast team, might have been LaPanta stating that a 4-5 guys were gutting it out and beaten up pretty bad. But, several others were in the fetal position due to the flu. So, that's what I based my comment off of.

Well that could be, I missed 4 games from when the Wall started against Dallas on. I would have thought that would be bigger news with that many players out at the same time. Until BG alluded to illness I hadn't heard anything at all about it effecting the locker room.